Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by mr.vince » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:04 pm

Maybe better check before you are done and there's a quirk somewhere.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by robcfg » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:05 am

I dumped the disks and sent you a PM with download details.

If you need them redumped or anything else, I'll be glad to help.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:54 am

Thanks to Rob's dumps I can confirm that KryoFlux does support ABC80 disks :)
All you have to do is to use -z1 -i4 as image parameters.
It's unclear what the track order should be (ie separated by side, or both sides together, etc) but all of those parameters can be changed via commands anyway.

Rob, you may want to redump some of those disks, as they contain errors.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:21 pm

The disks dumped are obviously the format quoted before:
DSQD MFM 256 bytes 16 80 x2

If you see one with *T warnings just add -k2 which makes the processing 40 tracks.
For single sided disks you may want to use -g0 or -g1 too.
It's unknown whether the single sided ABC disks are flippy, as no such disk has been dumped. Flippy disks would require two index holes for the disk in order to use side 1, or a flippy modified drive. Given that the system is using a generic MFM controller, it is very likely to need the index hole for correct operation, and hence single sided disks used as flippy disks should have two index holes - but of course this is not proven until such a disk has been dumped.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by anders_bzn » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:31 pm

Some disks are flippy. I have tried to process them with good result!

My problem: I'm trying to imaging some 8" disks. They should be: 8", 77tracks, 26 sectors/track, 256bytes/sector, 2-sides, MFM

I have tried three different disks and none worked. I use an old BASF6104 drive together with the FDADAP adapter. With this combination I can read DEC RX02 disks.

The BASF drive was originally used with the ABC800 computer.

I tried: dtc -p -fabc838_test.img -e78 -z1 -oe76 -oo8 -v360 -i4

I have a stream file if that is of any interest.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:40 am

Please post the stream file.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by anders_bzn » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:12 pm

How do I post a stream file, it's to big.

Anyway, I put it here in the meanwhile: http://www.abc80.net/zz/abc838_test.zip

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:12 pm

Yes, giving a link is fine.
I decoded the disk with -v360 -z1 -i4 parameters and it's perfect except for one thing: track offsets.
Each logical track is 1 track earlier than its physical position.
You can compensate for this by -using -a-1 -b-1, but notice that track 76 on the other hand is where it should be.
This would suggest that:
- the disk was re-used
- it was reformatted with a drive that is misaligned by 1 track
- it was also formatted/used with a drive that was not misaligned.

Unless this is a one-off failure of stepping there is no way to read the disk correctly without:
- having a drive that can read to track-1 (since track 1 is at track 0, track 0 would be at track -1) on BOTH sides
- use the drive that was used to write the disk to read it - it's obviously misaligned

If however this is a stepper failure (track 76 being at the expected position suggests otherwise) you can try using the slow firmware - however that should be the default in any recent software package.

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:17 pm

Actually it is the slow firmware (2.20s) - so it's a problem with the drive used to write the disk.
Alternatively, it is the drive used to read it :lol:

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Re: Does the Kryoflux support Abc80/800 disks?.

Post by IFW » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:19 pm

I'd recommend checking the calibration with e.g. a factory formatted disk - unless of course you have proper disk alignment equipment (scope and real alignment disk).

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